The Farm Hack River of Activity

Stream of Forum Topics

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Has anyone built this? Are there plans out there? DGrover Wednesday, February 5, 2014 - 8:20pm Thursday, February 13, 2014 - 3:03pm 1
Home Improvement Made Straightforward Suggestions For You guillermomcgrowdie Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 12:38am Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 12:38am 0
Great new Organic Veg Budgets ethanappleseed Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 3:43pm Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 3:43pm 0
Fido or Apitronics? leisa Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 2:39pm Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 12:58pm 3
US Visit from the French Farm Hackers - Ada Bio Autoconstruction Kristen Loria Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 10:09am Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 10:09am 0
Smart Spot Spray System ranaaman29 Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 11:43pm Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 11:43pm 0
My rural how-to Pinterest board Joel_BC Monday, January 20, 2014 - 6:31pm Saturday, September 3, 2016 - 8:28pm 3
Arduino for Ag agroinnovations Friday, January 17, 2014 - 2:48pm Friday, January 17, 2014 - 2:48pm 0
Farm Hack Summer camp for teens Andrea Jones Wednesday, January 8, 2014 - 5:36pm Wednesday, January 8, 2014 - 6:18pm 1
Excel Hacks for Crop Planning and Data Recording Jesica Clark Tuesday, January 7, 2014 - 2:37pm Tuesday, September 9, 2014 - 10:45am 7

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dorn's picture

I am really impressed with how clear the NRG images show the different cover. I really like the idea of using slide film as a camera filter - the costs just keep going down! We will be harvesting the plots that were imaged on Monday the 11th. I am in the middle of planting more plots right now and getting the oilseed sunflower planted, but on the other side of that I will be able to dive into this more. Looking forward to it.

jywarren's picture

At PLOTS, Juan posted this link to a very interesting pair of glasses which filter out the wavelengths of chlorophyll and let you "see" crop stress:

http://publiclaboratory.org/notes/cfastie/6-3-2012/nrg-images-cover-crop-trials#comment-858

Whoa. I ordered a pair, $20 shipped.

dorn's picture

I just came across this article that uses range finders (which are fairly cheap) to triangulate and give crop height measurements. I will see if I can get the whole text - here is a link to the abstract.

I am certainly a supporter of keeping the hardware costs of any of this kind of measurement to a minimum, and then do more processing on the backend (which is more easily shared).

jywarren's picture

I've seen some DIY Lidar setups (http://unterbahn.com/2010/11/3d-laser-scanning-with-record-player-arduino-processing-blender/) and there are some NYC area PLOTS folks interested in trying it out. But I think the balloon mapping >> bundle adjustment approach is kind of elegant in that it uses equipment we're already good at using.

Louis's picture

I believe LiDAR would be used in this context to generate a topological map. It would be interesting to convert the 3D displays in topological maps and see how they match LiDAR.

LiDAR is kind of expensive - last time I checked the most affordable ones were about $800 but those didn't have a huge range... In the practice of topology mapping I believe they fly over with LiDAR so I would guess you need a decent range.

R.J. Steinert's picture

Woops, I posted as user1 :P

user1's picture

Just ran across an update from the Farm 2 Plate initiative in VT and thought it might be interesting to those pushing this forward. They mentioned that LiDAR data has been used to aid in food system planning/implementation efforts in the Mississquoi watershed. I'm no expert on LiDAR but I wonder if the ways they use use LiDAR might be helpful for what Dorn is trying to accomplish. They do mention that the data is useful for "biomass".

"This data will be extremely useful to a wide variety of applications from identifying agriculture soils that are available for production, flood plain mapping, renewable energy siting, Forestry, Biomass, & Vegetation Management.Existing LiDAR coverage has been completed within the Mississquoi watershed, Essex County and a few small regional efforts; statewide coverage will greatly enhance our food system planning and implementation efforts. This is a high priority strategy within the F2P Plan and connects to Goals 5, 6, and 7."

Check out "Team LiDAR"

dorn's picture

We will actually be cutting two one meter samples in each plot, sorting the biomass,drying it and then weighing it. Which is why if we could find a remote way to calculate these values, we could save many many hours of labor.

I think that we might be able to get some rough information on biomass based on growth height which could probably be extracted based on the known scale of the plots and the heights of the plots above the pathways which is a known ground level. It would be interesting to see what kind of resolution we do have.

We will be doing the ground based measurements within the next two weeks, so we could correlate the on the ground data anytime after that is entered.

jywarren's picture

Dorn - Chris posted a bit more and I was speculating about how we might calculate biomass from the hi-res Meshlab data. I thought you might have some input:

http://publiclaboratory.org/notes/cfastie/5-31-2012/3d-model-meshlab

Also, I was wondering if you'd done any ground-based biomass measurements, or how they might be done (barring, i suppose, cutting down all your veg and weighing it... :-P )

jywarren's picture

Wow, that hi-res mesh is amazing.

jywarren's picture

Almost everyone has removed their images -- Sorry, can you move them back into the folder so I can copy to the PLOTS server? i was gone this weekend and didn't get a chance. If you want a copy please copy them out, leaving the folder in there for everyone else. Dropbox can be kind of a weird system i guess.

but otherwise, the folder is at:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/0eaer53x07kgi0w/v9p3xnI-GV

and I believe I can invite you if you like, so you get it via your desktop interface instead of via the website.

user1's picture

Hi Andrew. Glad you came! Check out the thread over here for more info on results of our day in Lee -> http://www.farmhack.net/forums/say-hi

Chris Fastie's picture

That's good to know. I think something is weird with the texture jpeg. I will run the Hypr3D process again. The Hypr server took more than 5 hours to complete the processing the first time. Before I submit it again I might sort through the photos and maybe lighten or darken some so they match better. I should put the images at Dropbox now that there is more room there. I will let everyone know when they are there.

dorn's picture

I had the same issue. Mashlab seems to indicate that is is loading texture, but doesn't ever complete. I was wondering if I needed a little more computing horsepower to get it to display...

Chris Fastie's picture

Dorn, did you get my latest model to display in Meshlab? I tried it for the first time, and the gray model displays but I can't figure out how to make it display the texture map.

dorn's picture

I will download this into meshlab - that seems to provide a little higher resolution too. It would be interesting to compare to 123D Catch output.

Chris Fastie's picture

I selected 149 of the photos from the regular camera on the dual IR/visible rig balloon flights over Dorn's study plots and submitted them to Hypr3D. It used only 49 of the photos and the model covered fewer than half of the study plots. So I borrowed 40 of the photos from Jeff's higher elevation flight and added them for a total of 189 photos. I downsampled all the photos to 1200 pixels across first. The resulting model used 150 photos and covered an area similar to that of Dorn's first model. The texture mapped over the 3D model seems to include some high and some low resolution images. The modeled topography definitely reflects the relief of the mown paths, and the house and yard trees look pretty cool.

Is it time to try this in 123D Catch?

dorn's picture

Here is an screenshot from the meshlab rendering. It is getting a lot more topography which looks more or less right. I am curious to see what Chris's photos do to the resolution when he gets another model built.

dorn's picture

Here is a link to the results from the 3D engine. http://www.hypr3d.com/models/4fbe49f52d212a000100009d

I it looks like with some editing I might be able to look at the density of the polygons in the plot area to document some change in cover, but it looks like we might need a little higher resolution to really document actual variation - the plot stakes didn't show up, but the plot boundaries which are a known size do show up well.

Chris Fastie's picture

That was a superb day. Great to meet everyone. Thanks to Dorn for sharing your work and bringing us together. Also for the excellent campsite. I was up in time to photograph the chicken tractor being moved through the fog. Ned and I got home for a late lunch ready for the next FarmHack FlashMob. Thanks to Jeff for supplying the noble gas, and to everyone for the great photos already at dropbox. I just added two. Note the strong evidence therein that shirts photosynthesize more than pants.

It appears that we might have pretty complete coverage of the study plots in NIR and visible, so NDVI here we come.

Next time!

R.J. Steinert's picture

@Jeff What's the url of that dropbox folder?

jywarren's picture

I changed the name of the Dropbox to "Lee NH Balloon Mapping" since i already have some "balloon mapping" shared dropbox folders :-)

As soon as people drop some more data in there, I'm happy to copy it over to the Public Lab archive server so we don't have to keep using Dropbox. Is everyone invited to that Dropbox? Email Louis (or me?) if you're not. Or just share a separate dropbox folder with me and I'll copy things to somewhere we can all get them.

BTW the 3d thing is at: http://hypr3d.com

Thanks again everyone, it was very exciting.

dorn's picture

Thank you all for such a fun day. I hope we can all get together again in the near future. With all the imaging that took place, I am really excited to see what kind of mapping and analysis can come out of it.

I just created a "sandbox" wiki for us to use http://www.farmhack.net/tools/covercrop-remote-sensing-imaging

I am downloading the single camera images tonight and will get them sorted for sending of for 3d imaging.

We went over to the second site at the woodman farm research station down the road, but the wind was not blowing enough to get a kite up, so that might be a project for another day. I think I may have to get my own rig set up...Perhaps a basic farm hack tool entry could be the basic balloon/kite camera setup from open labs?

eric's picture

I really enjoyed it too and am excited to see how the images turn out. Thanks again to everyone who made it happen and to Jeff for connecting me and Jessica. I had a great time spending the day with you all.

R.J. Steinert's picture

Good catch. Just added this to my list -> http://www.farmhack.net/node/191/revisions/view/561/582

R.J. Steinert's picture

Hi Dorn, I just added an insert button to images attached to wikis. It's definitely not a great solution but it's a step in the right direction. That eventual direction is being able to edit the wiki directly on the page without having to know markdown syntax (example, click on any of the content, it's editable: http://aloha-editor.org/demos/aloha-world-example/) . I already have a working copy of the Farm Hack site on my computer but it still needs more polish (it's too easy for people to make an edit and not REALIZE it :P) and it doesn't have support for adding images.

R.J. Steinert's picture

Gotcha. Well I guess their complaint is warranted given they were put in a "less useful" category.

Thanks for stepping in as maintainer on this Tool! Consider pencilling yourself in on the Wiki for this Tool like Ben, Louis, and I did on the Fido tool's Wiki -> http://www.farmhack.net/tools/fido-greenhouse-monitoring-text-message-alerts

Kristen Loria's picture

Hi RJ,

Severine asked me to remove that, Farmigo complained about it apparently. I am taking over for Emily Hanson with the blog/facilitation tasks, just for future reference!

andysmiles's picture

We've built a couple multipurpose pedal powered machines and v-belts are an incredibly easy and universal way of pulling power off. Here's a video of one of our machines: www.pedal-power.com

For full disclosure, I am the co-owner of the company and we are planning on posting the plans for this machine to the farmhack site (soon!)

Louis's picture

If you have wiring for LED indicators then tapping into that with an Arduino would be a breeze and there wouldn't need to be much repurposing of Fido software for this. It wouldn't take too much time for me to hack something together for you...

Just a few questions: what's the power situation out there? I take it that the power for the fence could also power this alert system. Also, how many miles is it from your internet? I'm antsy to start building Zigbee nodes rather than making different permutations of the Fido design although the remoteness and the generality of the on/off signal could still merit an independent cell phone node design.